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Jun. 28th, 2014 09:52 pm
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MEETING MINUTES
Order of the Phoenix
Date: 28 June 1997
Location: Moddey Dhoo

Order Members Present: Sirius Black, Alice Longbottom, Frank Longbottom, Colin Creevey, Kingsley Shacklebolt, Albus Dumbledore, Molly Weasley, Dora Tonks, Charlie Weasley, Bill Weasley, Dorcas Meadows, Caradoc Dearborn, Remus Lupin, Poppy Pomfrey, Pomona Sprout, Fred Weasley, George Weasley, Lee Jordan, Severus Snape, Cedric Diggory, Jeremy Stretton, Terry Boot, Ron Weasley, Neville Longbottom, Evelyn Longbottom, Justin Finch-Fletchley, Draco Malfoy, Nick Towler, Cecilia Perks, Walden Macnair, Hermione Granger, Sally-Anne Perks, Harry Marvolo, Hydra Lestrange, Ginny Weasley, Rachel Brodie, Arabella Scrim, Luna Lovegood, Pansy Parkinson.

Order Members Absent: Susan Bones, Rhymes with Rudy. Mr Lupin told me to put that down. Who is that, anyway? WAIT, IT'S MAD-EYE MOODY, ISN'T IT? Hi, Auror Moody, if you're reading this, I'm apprenticing this summer with the Healer who made your eye!

Guests: Scott Brownmiller, Tim Clark, Nicholas, Zachary, Maureen, Finbar Quigley, Lisa Turpin, Sarah Fawcett, Richard Weymen.

1. Headmistress McGonagall

We started with a moment of silence for the Headmistress.

2. What happened with Draco. And with Mr Malfoy.

Mrs Longbottom started by explaining what the Order had done to try to protect Mr Malfoy. Auror Brodie had suggested that the Order should provide a convincing fake Draco body by kidnapping someone, feeding them polyjuice, and then killing them, and that's sort of what they did. Mr Macnair kidnapped a bloke named Ian Flynn, who was an administrator at Dacorum camp. The people with buttons said he was really awful, plus there's someone who's more on our side who could move up into that position.

They kidnapped Mr Flynn days ago, and on Thursday, they fed him the polyjuice, took him to Argyll Camp, and then made it look like Draco had grabbed Mr Nott's wand and tried to run. So Snape killed 'Draco' and then apparated away.

Madam Pomfrey got upset and asked why we'd kidnapped someone with a plan to kill them in order to stop the Lord Protector from possibly killing one of his own, and why no one had pointed out this was a bad bargain and would have been a bad bargain even if it had worked instead of just making gratuitous killers of us.

Auror Brodie said that we hadn't kidnapped some innocent, Ian Flynn was brutal and sadistic. Madam Pomfrey asked if the Order's new brief was to kidnap camp admins and kill them so they stop being evil. Auror Brodie shrugged and Mrs Longbottom went on with her explanation, that Mr Snape took Flynn to Argyll Muggle Camp because it's really isolated, and Auror Brodie had arranged to be there with Jason Montague.

Auror Brodie said that she sent a note to the Malfoys on the pretext that they should know right away, because hopefully they'd realise that it was in their best interests to alter the tapestry. She said Mrs Malfoy was a bit reluctant but Mr Malfoy caught on and told her to do it.

Anyway it looked like everyone bought it but THEN yesterday Mr Malfoy went to Court, and the Lord Protector had him arrested and sent to Azkaban. He wrote a PM to Barty Crouch and that was it, he was gone. The newspapers said it was because he was planning to smuggle Draco to France, instead of having him turn himself in -- which makes no sense at all. Auror Brodie said what she'd been able to find out suggested that the real plan was to smuggle Narcissa Mrs Malfoy to France. (The grownups all just use first names, it makes it hard to be properly respectful when I'm writing quickly.) Somehow Cadmus Mulciber got wind of this and told the Lord Protector that Lucius (oh, I give up) Lucius Malfoy was the one trying to flee to France.

What no one seems to know is how Cadmus Mulciber would have even known about the plans about France. He's not exactly one of Lucius Malfoy's confidants. They HATE each other, according to Rachel. So who told him? Rachel said she'd see what she could turn up, but she didn't really expect that to get round MLE, Cadmus Mulciber certainly wouldn't be eager to share his sources given that Lucius has several close and extremely vindictive friends and unless Cadmus wanted his source to turn up dead in an alley with a galleon in his mouth and an ouroboros burned into a nearby wall, he'd keep it close.

Jeremy asked whether we were absolutely sure that Lucius really was in Azkaban. Sirius said he could confirm that he wasn't dead, because he's on the tapestry and it doesn't say he's dead. Sirius then mentioned that Narcissa came yesterday to 12GP -- I mean, she came to the street outside -- and stared at the house almost like she could see it. She knows where it SHOULD be so she'd know right where to look, is the thing, and she didn't try to come in. After a while, Barty Crouch turned up and they argued and then he grabbed her and apparated her away. Everyone agreed that no matter what, she can't get in unless Alice tells her how to get in, so what's she after? No one had any ideas. And Draco didn't say anything

3. Horcruxes.

So, Pansy's locket was definitely a horcrux. The ring Professor Dumbledore found was also a horcrux. Hydra brought up that diary she had when she was a firstie, and that might have ALSO been a horcrux. So HOW MANY OF THESE THINGS ARE THERE? You have to rip apart your soul to make one so you'd think you wouldn't actually want to make dozens and dozens, right?

Dumbledore said that Professor Slughorn had come to him and given him a memory of 'Tom' as a young man, asking about horcruxes. At the time he was thinking he'd make SEVEN. But he might have changed his mind. Eight would be kind of a more normal number, everyone could think of a half dozen examples of why eight is a symbolic number (like, if you're giving someone a gift of money you'll usually add 8 sickles or 8 knuts to whatever it is, for good luck). But of course if he made seven horcruxes than his soul is in eight pieces. So who knows.

Harry asked if the horcruxes could be absolutely anything, and Dumbledore said that no, probably not, the Lord Protector wouldn't want pieces of his soul housed in anything unworthy. And then he asked Ginny about her 'cursed tiara,' because that might also have been a horcrux. He'd brought his pensieve, and asked Ginny for her memory of finding the tiara. She put the memory in a bottle and then a whole lot of people viewed it, including me, since it's not as if this one was bloody and awful or even particularly long.

And! Luna recognised it straight away. It's not some random tiara, it was the Lost Diadem of Rowena Ravenclaw. There's a story that says Helena Ravenclaw, who was the daughter of Rowena, stole it because she felt unworthy of her mother and ran away to Albania with it and that's where it was lost. So maybe the Lord Protector knew that same story and went looking for it or maybe the story was a myth or someone else brought it back, because Ginny found it in the Secret Room, while it was being the Room of Lost Things. Sort of funny that the Lord Protector hid it in there -- I mean I guess it's a secret to the teachers, but we've all been using that room for ages and ages.

Unfortunately the diadem got taken by Umbridge. And she's currently a toad in a plate and the plate was given to the Headmistress who's now dead and her house is locked up and MLE is watching it, though not super carefully, and we're not sure who she named as heir who would get all her stuff. For that matter we don't actually know that the diadem is in the plate -- Umbridge wasn't wearing it. It might be with HER stuff which would be ... well, we're not really sure, though Professor Sprout thought she could find out.

So then we talked about how maybe there were other things belonging to Founders that the Lord Protector might have turned into horcruxes. And then Nick Towler had the bright idea of going and looking at all that mad rubbish I wrote after I took the prophesying potion. That bit I saw with Regulus Black and Inferi, that was actually true, I guess. I saw Umbridge coming out of her plate and people argued whether that meant that obviously we'd need to do that sooner or later so there was no point in mucking around trying to snoop through her old house -- I mean, Mr Snape said that these visions mostly represented different time lines and in how many possible versions of the world would we have stuffed Umbridge into a plate?

(Okay, maybe a lot of them.)

It might help if I remembered any of the vision but I don't. The old woman dead on the floor could be almost anyone. Mr Lupin asked if maybe it was the Headmistress but no, I don't think so, because first of all, I'd have known who she was and called her by name and second, she wasn't THAT old.

Dumbledore thought the boy in old London was Tom Riddle. He got out the pensieve again and put in a memory of the time he went to Tom's orphanage to offer to bring him to Hogwarts, and had me go look at it, to see if he looked familiar. I still don't remember the vision but I recognized Tom Riddle, actually, right away. I knew I'd seen him before. So I think he was probably right. And that started a whole new conversation about whether showing me pictures of old ladies would get us anywhere and whether it was even worth the bother and REALLY PEOPLE IT'S ALL RUBBISH WHY DID WE WASTE ALL THIS TIME ON THAT STUPID VISION. Okay. Everyone agreed that the vision I had where Harry was in Gryffindor and I was in Ravenclaw and Padma Patil's friend was an alternative whatever in which everything is different (ugh, I can't imagine being best mates with Patil, I'm glad I don't live over there), and when we got to the Grindylows we just skipped down to this bit:

'Harry you're looking for something important only it's in Bellatrix Lestrange's vault at Gringott's. My rat told you where to look and I think he was told by Pansy's Pirate. No, hold on, it's not in the vault, it's on display at Buckingham! Well THAT'S going to be a disaster. Maybe we could burn down Buckingham.'

If Harry is looking for something important (that we want to destroy, since I started talking about burning things down) then MAYBE it's a horcrux (but not necessarily) so MAYBE there's one in the Lestrange Vault or MAYBE it's on display at Buckingham. But MY RAT told you where to look after being tipped off by Regulus Black.

Mrs Longbottom asked Hydra if she could get into the vault and Hydra said she didn't have access. Auror Brodie said that if we killed Bellatrix Lestrange, provided that Madam Pomfrey doesn't have strong objections to that bit of murder, then presumably Hydra's her heir and would be able to get in. Bill said that it depends on exactly how the vault was set up -- it could be Hydra but it could just as easily be Rodolphus or Narcissa. (Or Rigel, even, but he's still really little so probably not.)

4. Octobori.

Mum Cecilia Perks and Jeremy Stretton reported on the research they'd done. We have an octoboros, the one we pulled off the train, though it doesn't work, and they're thinking that MAYBE they could swap that one in for the active emerald octoboros and they think it'll do

okay

you know what I didn't take Arithmancy as an elective so I didn't understand half of what they were saying. Maybe Jeremy can explain. I don't think Mrs Longbottom understood much either

5. Recruitment.

We talked about recruiting other people into the Order. Now that private messages are actually private (for now) we're thinking that we could bring people in as affiliates without having to give them access to the lock (where they'll see EVERYthing) and we talked about people who might be trustworthy and interested, like the people with galleons.

Everyone agreed that we should formally swear in the older kids from Moddey and Sherwood, like Tim, Patty, Lisa, Richard, Dudley, Nick, Zach, Alec, Sarah, and Finbar. (And Maureen! Who's not a kid, but she's new to Moddey.) Alice said she'd take care of that over the course of the next week. Mrs Longbottom asked Bill if he might be able to steal some journals for some of the people who don't have them. He said right now it's not looking good, but if the opportunity presents itself, he'll grab as many as he can carry. Alice asked Auror Brodie if she thought there was any chance of bribing Baddock or Pennifold and she looked like that was the dumbest question ever said no. And I asked if Tonks could maybe do it and she said no, she doesn't get to clean those areas. So.

Cedric said that Heph Bobolis might be a good person to recruit. And Madam Pomfrey thinks Siz might come in. Which would be good, actually, because we've lost two Order adults at the school PLUS Professor Sinistra is very good friends with Professor Dolohov and apparently he's going to be Headmaster next year (did that get announced officially while I was buried in Healing texts, because it was news to me, or is this just something the professors know?)

Anyway. Madam Pomfrey said she'd been keeping an eye on Professor Sinistra, who isn't doing very well yet, so obviously they won't bring up the Order until she's doing better. She also suggested we could approach her mother, Arca, who works in the Ministry. She also spent a whole week with some people in Kent who were sympathisers and they worked on brewing nutritional supplements for muggles in the camps. She spent another week in Staffordshire at a farm where they were talking about nutrition again, I guess. And she introduced one of the hosts to someone from Sherwood, and they agreed to help people escaping from nearby camps connected to people from Sherwood.

She also mentioned she stopped at a glassworks to get some prototypes Fu Lee designed, hexes in glass projectiles so they can be used by muggles. And she got a sack of bezoars for Mr Snape. And she visited some lady who knows Mr Dumbledore, and who gives the Order money, I guess.

6. Leadership change.

The Order has had co-heads for years -- first it was Headmistress McGonagall and Arthur Weasley, and then it was the Headmistress and Alice Longbottom. But the Headmistress is dead. She hasn't really been running things at all for years, though, and after discussing it a bit everyone agreed that it would be better to have an official Deputy Head, in case something happened to Alice. There was a bit more discussion and since Mr Lupin was the runner-up when they elected Alice everyone liked the idea of him being (at least temporarily) OFFICIALLY the deputy head of the Order.

He said that means he isn't going to take minutes any more because Deputy Heads shouldn't have to take minutes, and he thinks I should do it from now on. But that was before he saw my minutes. He may regret that once he does.

Professor Sprout brought up the Hogwarts Book. The problem is, both the real Hogwarts Book and the false Hogwarts Book are in the Headmistress's office. Headmaster's, now. Professor Headmaster Dolohov probably won't find the real book, because it's been hidden and warded very carefully. And he shouldn't notice any difference in the false book. But this is going to make it extremely hard for us to find magical children in the camps, and extract them before they're discovered. And when inevitably some magical child IS discovered, they'll know there's something wrong with the book they've got.

If Professor Sinistra comes into the Order, maybe she'll be able to check it for us.

7. Miscellaneous news.

Apparently Tonks and my mum are BOTH pregnant.

We all toasted their health and Mr Snape had brewed an antinausea potion for Tonks so he promised one to my mum, as well.

8. And now I feel like this needs a #8 since we talked about how everything has to come in eights.

But after that all we did was eat a bunch of snacks Jeremy had nicked from the Bad Jam cupboard at the Strettons, and everyone chatted with people they hadn't seen in a while, unless they had to get right back home before anyone wondered where they'd gone.

(no subject)

Date: 2014-06-29 04:44 am (UTC)
alt_nymphadora: (Teases)
From: [personal profile] alt_nymphadora
Your minutes are perfect.

Just the right amount of detail on things that need a bit of detail, and not so much editorialising where it's not needed. (Compared to certain other people's minutes, which would have gone on about things there's no need to repeat or help anyone remember.)

(no subject)

Date: 2014-06-29 05:02 am (UTC)
alt_sirius: (Dunno)
From: [personal profile] alt_sirius
Oh, get along, Dora. You mean you don't want to hear again how nastily everyone's favourite house-elf pointed out that falling down the stairs can cause a miscarriage?

I can't think why we wouldn't want to hear that charming anecdote over and over and over ...

(no subject)

Date: 2014-06-29 05:09 am (UTC)
alt_sirius: (Thinking)
From: [personal profile] alt_sirius
Or we could have the one about his pithy thoughts on cleaning sick out of the bogs every morning ...

(no subject)

Date: 2014-06-29 05:10 am (UTC)
alt_sirius: (Posing)
From: [personal profile] alt_sirius
... Or of course, his rather lurid speculations on the father!

(My personal favourite, don't you know.)

(no subject)

Date: 2014-06-29 05:13 am (UTC)
alt_nymphadora: (Faces Up)
From: [personal profile] alt_nymphadora
I'd like to know where he gets his ideas about what I get up to at the beer garden!

Ugh.

If he just weren't so smug about it.

Private Message to Dora

Date: 2014-06-29 05:17 am (UTC)
alt_sirius: (half-smiling)
From: [personal profile] alt_sirius
Oh, well, I'm afraid he's got nothing on any of us regarding smugness. It's just that you were so shocked when he said anything, luv. Had you honestly not figured it out for yourself? I'd've thought having experienced it once already you'd catch on faster.

Re: Private Message to Dora

Date: 2014-06-29 05:26 am (UTC)
alt_nymphadora: (Subdued)
From: [personal profile] alt_nymphadora
You'd think.

Only, I'd had my monthly. Twice. Since the rite, you know. Not a lot of bleeding, but then I don't always have much. It's not always the same. But it's regular. And it was. So I thought...

I just thought it hadn't happened.

And I was a little disappointed about that. I think I was. I mean, I knew all the reasons why it would really be easier if it didn't happen. But that's how it is, if something doesn't happen, then you wish it had.


How soon did you know?

Re: Private Message to Dora

Date: 2014-06-29 02:04 pm (UTC)
alt_sirius: (Lounging)
From: [personal profile] alt_sirius
Well, it's Mr Fuzzy's fault, actually. Two weeks ago - full moon. You weren't the only one with a sensitive nose, let's just say.

We just thought we'd wait for you to tell us. And Charlie.

(no subject)

Date: 2014-06-29 05:27 am (UTC)
alt_cedric: (work)
From: [personal profile] alt_cedric
Unless things change with the Cannons, I will be continuing my work for Dolohov, at least part-time. He agreed to hire me again on that basis before being given his new job. It is not yet clear if he'll continue to teach Noble Dark Arts as well. I don't know where I'll be working or if that would give me access to either of the books. He is so extremely careful with his wards, I don't hold much hope. But since he doesn't know where the real books is it's possible I might be able to get access to it undetected. Assuming he has me working inside the office and that his security procedures remain similar, I'll definitely be able to get other people from Hogwarts into the office when he's not there. It would be much harder to get someone from outside Hogwarts in without him noticing.

(no subject)

Date: 2014-06-29 02:09 pm (UTC)
alt_justin: (Fier de soi)
From: [personal profile] alt_justin
Hullo,

He's continuing to work with me, as well, what. I say, I'm not certain it would be easier for me, per se, than Cedric, but perhaps we can work together to provide distraction long enough to check periodically.

-Justin

(no subject)

Date: 2014-06-29 05:16 pm (UTC)
alt_lupin: (gleeful)
From: [personal profile] alt_lupin
These are excellent minutes. Best minutes I've ever read. As Current Acting Deputy Head of the Order I'm going to appoint you Permanent Minutes-Taker. (Can I do that?)

Private Message to Moony

Date: 2014-06-29 07:35 pm (UTC)
alt_sirius: (Laughing)
From: [personal profile] alt_sirius
Rotter.

You just want to shove off the responsibility. Well done, you!

Re: Private Message to Moony

Date: 2014-06-29 09:13 pm (UTC)
alt_lupin: (smirking)
From: [personal profile] alt_lupin
Hey, they're full Order members. I say it's high time to let the kids have their fair share of the dull work, not just the exciting bits.

(no subject)

Date: 2014-06-29 11:10 pm (UTC)
alt_jeremy: (yeah)
From: [personal profile] alt_jeremy
The Arithmantical details all brew down to this:

We think we know how the pattern works. We're examining two possibilities. One is, we swap in the inactive emerald stone for the active one, and bugger up their grand plan that way -- figuring that an inactive stone might prevent the whole thing from firing up properly. The other is, we set up our inactive emerald stone at some other carefully chosen location, and fire it up in hopes of causing maximum damage.

The latter option's a tricky one, as it requires a safe location for us to faff about with the thing until we get it working. (Nobody much likes the idea of getting it working elsewhere and then trying to transport it. Various reasons there.) However, a few of us were joking about with Fu a little while back about magical theory and Muggle eklektricity, and he started talking about feedback and resonances and things that sounded a bit like Thiravong's theorems of...

..yeah, you know, you're right. Just say the latter discussion had Fu talking about things that explode, and, well, the twins aren't the only ones who see the use of a spot of fireworks at the right moment.

(no subject)

Date: 2014-06-30 08:09 pm (UTC)
alt_charlie: (haggard)
From: [personal profile] alt_charlie
I know this probably doesn't help, which is why I didn't bring it up while we were all arguing about what we did, but Ian Flynn was a nasty piece of work all the way back as far as I can remember. We were dorm-mates back in school and I could never prove it, but I'm pretty sure he was the one who used to torment the firsties so badly that one or two of them would always spend half the year in tears. Our fourth year, he had Hillary Bradley so afraid of him I thought she was going to move into the Hufflepuff dorms just to get away from him. And I'm pretty sure he had it in for Tonks a lot of the time, too.

I'm not at all surprised to hear he got worse after he got put in a position of power. That sort always does.

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